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FOG! Chats With Genre Legend, MARK SHEPPARD!

Chances are if Mark Sheppard makes an appearance on your favorite genre television show, you’re in for a treat.

Over the past few years, the versatile actor lists among his credits memorable appearances on Doctor Who, Leverage, Supernatural, Firefly, Chuck, Warehouse 13, CSI, White Collar, Dollhouse, The Middleman, Burn Notice, 24, and The Bionic Woman.  Last night, he made an uncredited appearance in his recurring role of Interpol investigator Jim Sterling on the summer season finale of Leverage.  Mark took some time out of his busy schedule to discuss his latest appearance as Sterling, spoilers and geekdom in general.

I read a quote where you said that “John Rogers told you that in any other series you’d be the hero, but not in this one…”

(Laughs) Sterling would be the hero, not me…In any other series, Sterling would be the hero…

“Between Nate and Sterling, each can see the other being a close second.” Your latest appearance on Leverage is a bit of a departure for Sterling in the sense that he needs Nate. Did this change your approach to the character?

Not at all.  I don’t think that it’s that much of a departure…I think there’s a situation in which he needs Nate, he’s just not being so forthcoming about it. (Laughs) Obviously, he has a time crunch issue and he has to go to somebody that he can trust to execute almost the impossible within the time frame that’s required, and who else would he got to? Where else would he go to?

It’s very interesting to see…remember that the opposite of love is not hate…it’s apathy. You can’t say that it’s an easy position. We don’t hate each other, or if we do hate each other then it’s not that far removed from the fact that at some point we cared for each other. I mean, what the writers have done with our characters, with mine and Tim’s characters over the last 4 seasons is instead of having us develop our relationship, there’s actually been little pieces as we go forwards, little pieces explaining how we got to where we are and I think that’s just a fascinating way to go. It’s a very subtle difference, but it makes a massive difference. Sterling know who Sterling is and Nate know who Nate is and Sterling knows who Nate is and Nate knows who Sterling is. I mean, it’s that simple. I think it’s that simple…that they intersect, their paths are going to intersect given their circumstance and they’re always going to intersect. It’s just how they deal with each other on any given day.

Do you think the next time we see Sterling, his dynamic with the group will have changed?

I think it changes every time because he’s not changing who he is and they’re not changing who they are and every time we meet…I mean, the ongoing relationship with Elliot Spencer is always going to be an issue. What’s going to happen the next time any of them meet? It’s so hard to explain. Is it going to be different? Yeah, it’s going to be different but it’s always the same…the way they intersect…who else would Sterling go to? I mean, when you have a situation that’s that important in that time frame, who else would he trust? And it is trust. I don’t think that they’re that far apart.  I think the other would could concede that the other would come in a close second, but there’s a mutual respect. Like? I don’t think they really like each other, but I do know that they respect each other and that at some point they definitely cared about each other. It’s fascinating to me.

You are an icon of genre television these days, having appearances in virtually any cool show that exists…there’s a Mark Sheppard appearance. Do you approach a recurring role differently than a guest spot?

I approach every guest spot as a recurring role. That’s the best answer I can give you. I’ve always…I play what I play and I’ve been lucky enough that a lot of the characters that I’ve played have resonated with the fans in such a manner that it works in a recurring factor. I don’t know…some of which have been written for me, some of which I’ve auditioned for and, you know, I don’t know whether Crowley was designed to be an ongoing, you know, I think it was a “let’s see how this goes” situation. I think that Sterling was always created as somebody that would be peripheral in a way and…it’s fascinating to me, but I approach every guest star as a recurring role. It’s funny, I was actually looking at my IMDB thing the other day and thought “Wow! I actually recurred on a lot of shows!” (Laughs) It’s a good sign, I think! (Laughs)

It’s a great sign!

I owe the fans a lot because it’s the fans response that drives a lot of that, you know?

Here’s a “What If” scenario – if you could appear on any show currently in production that you’ve never guest starred on, what would it be?

You’re gonna hate this answer but I’m gonna give you the answer in this very strange way…I was in Chicago doing shoot for Supernatural and a fan asked me the same question and I’m sitting there and I’m considering it and I’m like, “Well, Torchwood would be fun in a strange way but Doctor Who would be fantastic” and everybody screamed. That was the deal, then in my pocket I had the ticket to get to Cardiff the next day. Just remember that…I have to keep the secrets, it’s my job.

If I tell you what I’d love to be on, I mean, yeah, again somebody asking the same question a little while ago and they all right said “Give us a canceled show that you’d love you’d love to be on and play”…ok, Hill Street Blues, that would have been great, that would have been the pinnacle. (Laughs) The Wire…you know, a should that I didn’t do that I wanted to do…Luther…all sorts of amazing stuff that was on. Cracker. My God, there were some incredible shows that were on…

I look forward to the journey ahead because you could also say that none of these shows were these shows when they first started, right?


And I’ve been lucky enough to be involved in these shows…Leverage wasn’t Leverage until it became Leverage, you know? I was involved pretty early on…it’s a lovely thing…Supernatural really reinvented itself many times.

The great job was Warehouse 13.

Tom Lieber and everybody sitting around and going “Oh we’ve got nine and half pages to shoot on Monday…Oh, get Mark!” Thanks! (LAUGHS) I get a phone call and it’s like “Can you come to Toronto?” “For what?” “To come play with CCH Pounder and Saul Rubinek in a cafe…” I’m like “Absolutely! In a minute!” (LAUGHS) A lot of fun out there, a lot of wonderful writers, wonderful, wonderful writers, producers, great TV directors, wonderful people to play with that have put a little faith in me at times and been very kind to me and given me opportunities to do things which I’ve really enjoyed doing, telling stories and enjoying every minute of it. You know? So many of them…

Your work is a testament to your love for not only the work but also for the fans and keeping it pure for them…spoiler-free and everything else…it’s actually very noble and fantastic.

I’m a’s not that noble. I’m a fan. It’s not noble at all.

Who the hell wants to be spoiled?

Idiots want spoilers.

I was on Battlestar Galactica, for God’s sake…we shot the final episode, we keep it a secret for nearly eight months.

It’s incredible. 

The reason we kept it a secret for nearly eight months is nobody really wanted to know. That’s the truth.

I had this debate on Twitter at one point where I’m saying…somebody goes “That’s a spoiler” and I’m like “You know there’s a cutoff point for spoilers”…there’s a cutoff point. You know, a week, two weeks after something’s aired, go track it down and watch it. Stay off the internet.

You want to wait for the DVDs? Stay off the internet.

What can you tell me about Mysterious Island?

Mysterious Island…lot of fun to do, lot of fun to do. Bunch of guys I had done a film for down in Louisiana gave me the opportunity to direct one, said “You want to come try one?” I said “I’d love to do it”. It was an adult portion, let’s put it that way. It was a lot of hard work, a lot of fun to do. Unbelievably scary weather, critters that could kill you, from the smallest to the largest, from chiggers to alligators and it was an interesting thing…not the easiest of stories to shoot, lot of fun directing my dad (William Morgan Sheppard), Lochlyn Munro, Gina Holden, fabulous, lot of fun, Susie Abromeit, good people, really good people…lot of fun to do. Quick. Cheerful. Hell of a lesson, we’ll see how it comes out…hope it works! (LAUGHS)

What are you currently geeking out over?

It’s hard…there are so many things going on right now. I listen to a lot of music. I have an eleven year old and a six year old, both boys, and they both play soccer and they both have different and interesting musical tastes and different television tastes, too.

The six year old has discovered Matt Smith as his Doctor, so everything that Matt does is fascinating to him and he’s just…to watch a six year old watch Doctor Who is just fabulous, to watch it through his eyes, to watch such an interesting era…the fact that I just happen to be on it doesn’t hurt. (LAUGHS) So there’s been a lot of Who-vian activity in my house recently which is just fabulous. I’ve got Daleks everywhere and Weeping Angels and all sorts of creepy stuff all over my house…that’s fun. There’s people from the Doctor Who show in my house, meeting my kids and they’re freaking out. That’s just a blast.

You know, we were at Comic-Con, of course, this year, while it was a little more difficult than any other year, I owe this huge thank you to the fans…I was still able to walk the floor, you know? With both my boys and my wife, we were able to walk around without getting over involved or anybody making it difficult…just a lot of love and a lot of fun.  I got to meet Neil Gaiman up in San Francisco, what an amazing, amazing time that was, the two of us walking down the street, walking down Geary Street, singing obscure Ian Dury songs to each other, which was just fantastic, just before The Doctor’s Wife episode aired which was just a beautiful episode and just getting to talk with him and pick his brains about what’s going on, and his appreciation of Crowley and the connections in Good Omens…I know my stuff, I read my stuff, yeah.

Mark and Neil Gaiman at Wondercon

Chris Hardwick, what a great guy to meet, from the Nerdist, which you probably know. But being at Comic-Con with Javier (Grillo-Marxuach) and all the rest of my friends and all of the great writers that have looked after me and a lot of the actors that are so much fun, got to see my old friends from Adam Baldwin to Zachary Levi, to talking to Chris Fedak about Chuck, I mean, how much fun is it, talking to David Greenwalt about his new show (Grimm). My god, have you seen the trailer for it?

Yes. Looks amazing.

Looks fantastic. With the Little Red Riding Hood section?

This season there’s so many new shows that actually look really good. There’s that show, there’s the one with Jason Isaacs that looks really fantastic…(Awake)

Jason’s fabulous, he really is. There’s a lot of great stuff going on. The most fun that I had down at Comic-Con was taking Jared across the floor, to see that was hysterical. We had to take three body guards with us, it was really funny. Jared Padelecki who is what, six foot five or whatever, through Comic-Con, on the floor, people flipping out in his wake… I think it was on Saturday, it was packed, there wasn’t an inch to move, and I took him to the Tardis, in which he couldn’t fit! (LAUGHS) Too big for the Tardis! (LAUGHS)

At least on the outside, once you’re on the inside, it’s fine…

No, no, the inside was filled with boxes so he couldn’t get in, it was very funny. But that’s the positives of it, geeking out on everything. There’s comic book stuff. I mean I get to go work with Ben Edlund who created The Tick…how much geekier can that be? How much more fun can you have when your favorite writers are writing comic books, your favorite writers are writing television shows, your favorite writers, you know, doing everything and getting to be part of that? It’s just nice.

We’ve grown up in one of the most fascinating times in geekdom, really. You know, it’s been said a hundred times, again, but the geeks have inherited the Earth, it’s the way it goes. You know, what’s happened is all of the thirty-five year olds that couldn’t get jobs at seventeen, they were writing comic books in their bedroom and now they make hit TV series. It’s amazing, amazing. And you can’t cheat them, you really can’t them. You can’t lie to them, you can’t manufacture this stuff. You can’t tell them what they’re going to enjoy. How do you…there’s no way to judge what the fans are going to love. Either they do or they don’t, right?


And I believe the common denominator of all of this stuff, as fans, we’ve latched onto, the common denominator is how much heart, how much love how much passion, how much love has been put into it because you can smell it. When it’s cynical, we don’t care. We’re not interested. Agree?

Better words could not have been spoken. (LAUGHS)

That’s what it is. We latch onto the things that ring true to us or of interest to us or follow our aspirations, our dreams, our wants, our desires, not things that other people determine for us as what we’re going to enjoy. We are the rebels, for God’s sake, why the hell would they think that we wouldn’t rebel? (LAUGHS!)

Yeah, as a fan of your work, it’s very refreshing to know that you’re a fan of the material as well, that’s it’s not just a job, it seems to be your passion which is a bit refreshing…

It’s a pretty shitty job, dude. I mean think about it – I get rejected ninety-eight percent of the time. It’s a pretty shitty job! (LAUGHS!) It’s a really shitty job. (LAUGHS)

Mark Sheppard’s latest appearance on Leverage can be seen HERE and he’ll likely be turning up on your favorite show when you least expect it.

Special thanks to Chris Hunter for transcribing the interview
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